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Tuesday, March 31st, 2009

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Church, genealogist in tussle

Tuesday, March 17th, 2009

 It can be discussed here AC Discussion
It doesn’t want him sharing photos, info from cemetery


Among the hundreds of graves in the Old Union Christian Church Cemetery on Russell Cave Road, genealogist David Shannon found those of several relatives, including his great-grandparents Julia and Lloyd Harp.

With beginner’s zeal, Shannon began to compile the names, birth and death dates on the tombstones, which date back to the early 1800s. “Once I got into it, I figured other people trying to find ancestors would find information in the cemetery helpful,” he said.

So he created an independent research Web site,, where he’s posted the information on the 475 documented burials collected and a photograph of each visible stone.

But the church board at Old Union took offense.

In February, the church’s governing board sent Shannon a letter telling him “to cease publishing pictures of stones … not part of your family because it is sharing family information without their consent.”

Old Union’s minister, the Rev. Scott Winkler, said the church’s position is that Shannon’s actions are an invasion of privacy. “If you’re going to publish other people’s private information you need to get their permission,” he said. “Any cemetery has to protect rights of people buried there.”

Winkler said he did not think the church board will pursue the issue with legal action but still felt the need to state its opinion.

The church sells a $10 book with all the tombstone information in it, but no pictures, compiled for an Eagle Scout project several years ago with the help of church historian Leslie Nash Huber, Winkler said.

The difference between the book and Shannon’s Web site is “my church board and congregation approved the book,” he said. “Since most of these folks (at Old Union) have people buried there, they approved publication of the information.”

But Shannon felt he had a right to publish the information; he also considered it a community service.

Birth and death dates are public information, recorded in county courthouses and with the Kentucky Department for Public Health’s division of vital statistics.

What is inscribed on a tombstone also is public, said Mary Davis, Stites & Harbison professor of law at the University of Kentucky College of Law. “If a fact is in the public domain, it’s not private and it can be published,” she said.

It is another matter, Davis said, if someone tries to protect private information. For instance, if you are in your house and a peeping Tom takes photographs of you through a window, that violates privacy you are trying to protect.

“But if something is in the public, and you haven’t exercised any protection over it or (indicated) any desire to keep it within your own sphere, you can’t tell others they can’t have access to it,” Davis said.

Some genealogists expressed surprise at Old Union’s prohibition on sharing family genealogy information.

Former Fayette County Attorney Margaret Kannensohn said that historically, the reason for tombstone inscriptions was “to commemorate, for the ages, the existence of that person. That’s why they went into a lot of description.”

If information about the person was intended to be kept private, “it could have been confined to the family Bible or oral tradition, but kept within the family,” said Kannensohn, also a genealogist.

A movement called Free Genealogy promotes disseminating as much information as possible, she said, “so everyone has a possibility of researching their roots.” Within that movement, she said, “Shannon is doing an incredible service.”

Ann Johnson, head of the Kentucky Historical Society’s cemetery preservation program, said she has never encountered a cemetery refusing to allow photography or requiring permission of family members.

“You can go to and pull up the same information on anybody you want to. You don’t have to be a relative,” Johnson said. If the death certificate is available, “you can even print them off.”

Lisa Sanden, president of the Fayette County Cemetery Trust, said she was “absolutely shocked” when she learned of the church’s unwillingness to share genealogy information from the cemetery.

Kentucky statutes do not address privacy of information on tombstones, Sanden said. “I went back and re-read them. The statutes speak to tombstones not being desecrated and not publishing photographs for profit.”

Shannon isn’t making a profit, she said; “he is doing this out of the goodness of his heart, sharing his information.”

Museum finds “secret” message in Lincoln’s watch

Wednesday, March 11th, 2009

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A gold watch owned by Abraham Lincoln bears a message marking the start of the U.S. Civil War, but the president never knew of the “secret” inscription uncovered on Tuesday at the National Museum of American History.The engraving, by watchmaker Jonathan Dillon, is dated April 13, 1861, and reads in part: “Fort Sumpter was attacked by the rebels” and “thank God we have a government.”

The museum said it agreed to open the watch to find out if the message really was there after it was contacted by the watchmaker’s great-great-grandson, Doug Stiles of Waukegan, Illinois.

The American Civil War began when Confederate troops opened fire on Fort Sumter in Charleston, South Carolina, on April 12, 1861.

Forty-five years later, Dillon the watchmaker told The New York Times that he was repairing Lincoln’s watch when he heard that the first shots of the Civil War had been fired.

Dillon said he unscrewed the dial of the watch and used a sharp instrument to mark the historic day on the president’s watch. He told the newspaper that, as far as he knew, no one had ever seen the inscription.

“Lincoln never knew of the message he carried in his pocket,” Brent Glass, director of the National Museum of American History said in a statement. “It’s a personal side of history about an ordinary watchman being inspired to record something for posterity.”

Lincoln was elected the 16th president of the United States in November 1860. In the lead up to the Civil War, South Carolina and six other states seceded from the Union before Lincoln’s inauguration in March 1861.

(Reporting by JoAnne Allen; Editing by Patricia Zengerle)

The birth of AncestralSpace

Tuesday, July 8th, 2008

In June 2008 I had a brilliant idea….or at least it seemed a brilliant idea to me.  I was frustrated with the lack of “connections” trying to use facebook and myspace for genealogy.  I was (am) a member of which is a social network for people interested in all things renn faire, medieval etc and it occured to me there was no such thing for genealogy that I knew of.

I spent 2 days googling like mad trying to find something like that, there wasnt anything coming up.  I contacted the owner of Renspace to try to find out how he’d set his up….while waiting for his reply I found out there is a company out there that supplies it!!

One day later the ancestralspace domain is registered in my name (you have NO idea how many names I had to go thru to find one available.. my first choice was of course genspace but it was taken as were every other variation I could think of of that one and using words like “root” and genealogy (and I wasnt about to try ancestryspace).

My husband suggested ancestralspace… which actually kind of matches my genealogy forum ancestrally challenged, but it took a few hours for it to grow on me, but once it did, it was mine.

I spent all of June 13th programming, tweaking, writing custom html, getting my sis’s help in graphics etc.  By about 11 pm that nite it was ready to go (for the most part.. 3 weeks later I’m still tweaking lol).  I set up a “blog and recommendation” page and emailed the blog/page owners letting them know I’d featured them, and one of my recommendations actually took the time to respond (Thank you Stephanie from Southern Graves for acknowledging my email, that meant a lot to me,  AND for actually joining up, that was a bonus)

I got family and close friends to join up, I made a new myspace just to announce it,  I blogged, added it to my email signatures, posted about it on my message board etc.

Slowly people started coming over and joining..and I’m still nervous, waiting on people to tell me that it was a stupid idea and a waste of time.  (I’m used to thinking things are great ideas and having other people think they are pointless lol)

Then an amazing thing happened, what I thought, was being transmitted back to me.  I was getting comments from people telling me “great idea”  “wish I’d though of it” “I’m jealous it wasnt my idea” “I’ve been waiting for something like this” “this is SO much better than myspace”  “there is no “crap” here to put up with, just genealogist sharing a hobby they love” and… well you get the idea.

Word started spreading, its still spreading slowly.  People are posting it on their blogs, message boards, email groups, yahoo groups, and well they were posting it on ancestry message boards until they were told to stop as my site is considered “competion” and posting about me is not allowed lol (wow).  I want to give a special thank you, especially to Tammy and Cyndy for all the work I know they have been doing to spread the word, and a thank you to those that have done the same and I dont know who you are!!

At the three week mark (plus a day) we hit 400 members and they are still coming.  I can only imagine what membership is going to be like once word REALLY gets out.

And the best part?  People are actually using it and having fun with it!!!

This has totally blown me away, I had a vision, I took action, its a hit.

So.. stop by and visit!!  Joining is free (just like it is for myspace and facebook) and I’ll bet you 2 cents you find something interestesting there to read posted by a member!!

Hope to see you soon at

New genealogy website

Saturday, June 14th, 2008


Made especially for those that cant get enough of myspace/facebook type sites (and yes I realize some of you will have NO interest in this at all)

Some of you may wonder…why a site like this. Well I will tell you. Last year I made a myspace page for my genealogy forum and found lots of friends that have genealogy as an interest. Wednesday, I was “interviewed” about my thoughts on myspace and genealogy….did it help?

I got to thinking, nope, I’ve not found one piece of information or person with which to share information on myspace other than “genealogy news”

Then I got to thinking….I had seen a “myspace” type site for another hobby I’m interested in but I didnt know of one for one of the most widespread hobbies in the world. Why not have a social sight for people that were not looking to “find a date or a mate”.

People that know me, know I have a passion for research and for helping other people find things and for helping other people find living relatives that might help them break down their brickwalls.

Will this work? I don’t know…I have high hopes for it.

This site will be a work in progress for many weeks to come I’m sure, and suggestions are always welcome even if I might not always do what you suggest.

This is gonna be fun….yeah its gonna be fun

In Flew Enza

Monday, June 9th, 2008

Ever wonder about the spanish flu? One of our most esteemed members (who just happens to be my mother lol) posted something on the forum that she had written for our family history awhile back.

It was first printed in Paper Plates, Napkins and Other Musings:

In Flew Enza
I had a little bird
It’s name was Enza
I opened the window
and in flew Enza.

A simple little jump rope rhyme to commemorate the worst epidemic this country has ever seen. One quarter of the population was wiped out in this outbreak. I have no records which of our family members succumbed to Spanish Flu, but there were a number who died in this time frame. It was devastating enough to merit a few paragraphs in any family history.

There has never been absolute proof where the epidemic started. Evidence seems to indicate it began at Fort Riley, Kansas in early Spring 1918. Soldiers burned tons of cow manure. As this was being done a gale sprang up unexpectedly. It became a virtual dust storm. The sun went black. Two days later on March 11 a private reported to the infirmary with a fever, sore throat and headache. Less than a minute later another soldier reported the same symptoms. By noon there were 100 cases, by nightfall, 500. Forty-eight men died in this initial onslaught. Then it seemed to disappear.

This was a good time in this country. Women had the vote, we had airmail, smallpox, anthrax, diphtheria and rabies had all been identified and cured. The country was behind the war effort 100%, celebrating with parades and parties-breeding grounds for an airborne virus. Something no one could hope to identify. Virus were not visible until the invention of the electron microscope, still far in our future.

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Discarded memories, Family Bibles on ebay

Saturday, May 31st, 2008

I orginally wrote this awhile back….but a conversation about this on one of the mailing lists today was about family bibles and I thought I would recycle this for anyone that might have missed it the first time.

It occured to me today while I was posting some of these on my own genealogy forum that a lot of you just might realize what I am about to tell you. I dont know how many of you use ebay, but there are ALWAYS people on there selling old family bibles that have a wealth of information in them. I know I spent 10 years trying to track down one of my own family bibles and once I found it, of course the information in it was invaluable. While I dont really condone people making a profit off others genealogy information (I know if I came accross something like these things I would do my best to track down someone researching the family and give it to them) it would not hurt you to look on ebay for stuff like this. There are more than you might think….also remember to keep an eye out at garage/estate sales. Unfortunately non genealogists just dont realize what they are getting rid of.

If you go to ebay and just put in family bible in the search you will see what Im saying, and some of these things are not going for cheap prices!!! I have also found MANY old family photos there as well.

Just thought I’d tell everyone about that in case they hadnt thought of it :)

I am keeping a thread going on the forum of the finds I make on ebay so be sure to check it out to see if any of them could help you out!!! Some of these sellers actually tell you what listed on the birth/death/marriage pages and post pics of them, so you might want to keep this in the back of your mind next time you’re looking for a bible

Discarded Memories

Star of the West, first shot or not?

Monday, May 5th, 2008

I have been doing a lot of reading the last few weeks regarding the War of Northern Aggression, and in one of the books I’m reading, Confederates in the Attic by Tony Horwitz, I came across something I had never ever heard before…while I am sure a lot of people HAVE heard this, I am equally sure I’m not the only one to whom this story was “new”. I thought I would pass it along to those that may have interest in it. It is in no way meant to be an “opinion” piece; I am just passing along a story.

Were the shots fired on Fort Sumter in April 1861 indeed the first shots fired in the war? Some would say yes, some would say no. A lot of people in Charleston SC would definitely say no considering the events of January 1861 when cadets from the Citadel fired shots upon a Yankee supply ship called The Star of the West, to others the events starting at 4:30 A. M. on April 12, 1861, when Confederate batteries opened fire on Fort Sumter, Charleston Harbor, South Carolina was when War of Northern Aggression had begun.

Three months prior to that fateful day in April, Charleston was notified by a southern sympathizer by telegraph that a ship mean to resupply the troops at Fort Sumter had left New York carrying about 200 men with Charles R Woods of the 9th Infantry in command.

The story goes that cadets along with some militia were camped in a converted small pox hospital on Morris Island to work on fortification and in about 4 days installed 4 twenty-four pound siege guns at the northern end of the island. After the guns had been installed the cadets participated in drill exercises and a schedule was established for guard posts.

On January 9, 1861 Cadet William Simkins spotted the steamer “Star of the West” from his sentry post sailing towards Morris Island in the early morning light. Major P. F. Stevens was alerted and Cadet Simkins was ordered to take his position on Gun No. 1 to help prepare it for firing at the on coming steamer. The unarmed ship, The Star of the West arrived in the harbor and was fired upon by the cadets, the first shot a warning shot across the bow of the ship, at this point the ship raised a full sized garrison flag and continued towards Fort Sumter, who was unaware of the mêlée taking place and all told was fired upon at least 17 times, taking two or three actual hits. As the ship had no cannon and no support from the unalerted Fort Sumter, she aborted her mission, lowered her flag and turned around and headed back to New York taking all her supplies and men with her.

The next day, the peppery Charleston Mercury carried the headline: “THE CITADEL CADETS FIRE THE FIRST SHOTTED GUN. The Mercury characterized the firing on the Star of the West as the “opening ball of the Revolution” and expressed pride that “our harbor has been so honored.

It would be another 3 months before the “official” start of a 4 year bloody war that would change this country forever, but in the hearts and minds of many, this WAS the beginning.

I definitely think it makes for an interesting trivia question!!

If you would like to discuss this story, you may do so HERE

Memorial/dedication service help needed

Monday, April 28th, 2008

I have had a project in the works for a few years now….it was my goal to find out where my husbands 3rd great grandfather was buried so that I could see if he had a grave marker that notated his service during the War between the States, it took me almost 2 years to find where he was buried and he had no stone at all. I gathered all the necessary paperwork and ordered the free stone from the VA and it is back now and awaiting the monument company to install it for me.

This means I can start planning the memorial service and I’d really like to hear from people that have done this kind of thing before. I have a few ideas in my head and I have 5 months to get it planned (the service is set for September) but I REALLY want this to be something special….so if any of you out there have ever done this, or know someone that has planned one, I would really like to hear from you on what you did and how you went about it.

He didnt die in the war…he served almost the entire war and was at the surrender in 1865. He died in 1923.

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Did Indiana woman get away with murders?

Monday, April 28th, 2008

LAPORTE, Ind. - Asle Helgelien didn’t believe Belle Gunness’ claims that his brother, missing for months after answering the widow’s lonely hearts ad, had left her northern Indiana farm for Chicago or maybe their native Norway.

Suspicious after a bank said his brother, Andrew, had cashed a $3,000 check — a large sum in 1908 — the South Dakota farmer came to LaPorte and discovered his brother’s remains in a pit of household waste.

A century later, modern forensic scientists hope to solve once and for all what appears to have been a web of multiple murders, deceit, sex and money orchestrated by a woman dubbed Lady Bluebeard, after the fairy tale character who killed multiple wives and left their bodies in his castle.

Many locals believed Gunness staged her death in a farmhouse fire, 100 years ago Monday, before Asle Helgelien’s arrival to cover up years spent poisoning and dismembering more than two dozen people.

Forensic anthropologist Andi Simmons grew up in the area east of Chicago hearing tales of the LaPorte black widow.

“There was always a sense of, what if she’s still out there? What if she’s lurking around,” said Simmons, who decided to explore the case as part of her thesis.

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